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Last Jump to page: Results 1 to 20 of 121 Thread: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Thread Tools Show Printable Version Email this Page Subscribe to this Thread Search Thread Advanced Search 18th November 2006 11:43 #1 nano View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Nov 2006 Posts 5 BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Hi, I was wondering if anybody else has experienced a 01-02 BMW 320 Diesel turbo failure. Mine failed recently and in the process sucked all the oil from the sump and ejected it into the top of the engine and out through the exhaust. I was going less than 30mph at the time and the cloud of smoke ejected from the back end was like an f1 car blowing up. The garage says that it is a common fault and that as a result it needs an engine, turbo and probably cat. It is going to cost thousands. I have spoken with a few others on this matter and several people seem to know of other BMW's that have met the same fate, some only after low mileages. Anyone else know of any......? Ta. Reply With Quote 18th November 2006 11:43 # ADS Google search Site Team Cagger since Feb Posts 2007 A Merry Christmas from the CAG Site Team You can do your own Christmas or birthday videos - click the banner below (We may get a small commission on this) 19th November 2006 08:00 #2 M the Merciless View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Jun 2006 Posts 36 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Yes, hundreds. Not just on the 3 series either. It's one of the common problems on BMW, that and the computer thingy, the name of which escapes me right now. Reply With Quote 19th November 2006 10:28 #3 meggyweggy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Sep 2006 I am in Midlands Posts 107 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Ifyou havent heard of it all ready look at BMW Land - A Drivers Chat Talk Discussion Forum Board for UK BMW cars and owners 3 5 6 7 series Questions & Answers and i am sure someone on there will be able to help you as i know there are a lot of people on the had the same problems Reply With Quote 22nd November 2006 15:29 #4 ivorbiggun View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since May 2006 Posts 115 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Honest John in the Motoring Telegraph says that BMW turbodiesels tend to have turbo problems after 3-5 years and 60,000 miles +. Not sure if it's on his site: Honest John Reply With Quote 28th November 2006 11:00 #5 BMW TURBO FAILURE View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Nov 2006 Posts 4 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Hi I am being taken to court by BMW over a turbo failure! I handed the car back to BMW "couldn't afford to keep it" and as they where driving it to the auction, bang the turbo gave out with a big plume of smoke. They subsequently sold the car as a non runner! I am now fighting in court for the £6000 they say I still owe them. The information that I am searching for is: A/ Proof of turbo failure in pre 2003 3 series 2ltr turbo diesels B/ proof that this was well known to BMW C/ Proof that this can happen regardless of service intervals D/ Proof that they deliberately chose not to recall and the reasons for this( clutching at straws now) Any help you are able to give me would be gratefully received I am due in court 2nd January 2007 ( 4 weeks!!!) Thanks Reply With Quote 28th November 2006 12:33 #6 rosiecotton View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Nov 2006 Posts 880 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems I assume that you still had an outstanding finance agreement/HP agreement of some sort and you handed it back to them because you couldn't make the repayments or didn't want to pay the final figure? I'd need to know a bit more about this agreement. How much was left to pay under this agreement? How long had you had the car, and what age/value/mileage was it when you bought it? BMW need to mitigate their losses by selling on the car, but obviously in this case they sold it for far less than they would otherwise have done had it not developed the fault. However, if the fault was not due to normal wear and tear, this is not your responsibility! If you had kept the car and this fault had occurred, then you would have had rights to redress (I won't go into detail as your rights will differ depending on what finance agreement you had and I don't have that information). However, regardless of what legislation you are looking at, you would have had the right to a vehicle of satisfactory quality and fit for all normal purposes for that age and mileage. It doesn't seem like a very old car, and it does seem like a very serious fault, so it would appear to me that you would have had a good claim for a repair, or at the very least compensation towards the cost of repair. I can't be more specific without further details of the car: age, mileage, value; also your type of finance agreement and how long you have had the vehicle. Needless to say, though, the company should not be able to say they have sold the car as not running and therefore the losses because of this are yours to bear. It's hard to advise without seeing the credit agreement etc, but in my opinion - although you may well be liable for a settlement figure - this should have been mitigated by the trader selling the car in the condition it should have been in for its age and mileage. You should not be penalised for faults that have occurred since, which are not attributable to normal wear and tear. Reply With Quote 29th November 2006 01:26 #7 syrill-sneer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Oct 2006 Posts 98 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Originally Posted by BMW TURBO FAILURE Hi I am being taken to court by BMW over a turbo failure! I handed the car back to BMW "couldn't afford to keep it" and as they where driving it to the auction, bang the turbo gave out with a big plume of smoke. They subsequently sold the car as a non runner! I am now fighting in court for the £6000 they say I still owe them. The information that I am searching for is: A/ Proof of turbo failure in pre 2003 3 series 2ltr turbo diesels B/ proof that this was well known to BMW C/ Proof that this can happen regardless of service intervals D/ Proof that they deliberately chose not to recall and the reasons for this( clutching at straws now) Any help you are able to give me would be gratefully received I am due in court 2nd January 2007 ( 4 weeks!!!) Thanks What you could really do with is to speak to someone who works at a main BMW dealer, either a technician or service advisor. They may be able to give you a rough idea how many vehicles have been affected at their dealer, any actions BMW have taken, any Technical Service Bulitins that BMW have issued about this problem etc . But thats easier said than done. Have you tried any of the BMW forums? They may be you're best bet if you haven't already tried them. Tyring to proof those points could be pretty tough though. Most manufatcurers will only issue a recall if the known issue is safety related. Just out of interest, are BMW UK taking you to court, or is it you're local BMW agent? Reply With Quote 29th November 2006 11:07 #8 BMW TURBO FAILURE View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Nov 2006 Posts 4 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Thanks for your speedy reply. I will gather as much information as i can over the next day or so to answer all of your questions. Your help with this matter is gratefully appreciated Thank you so much! Reply With Quote 29th November 2006 11:42 #9 ukaviator View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Site Team Cagger since Jun 2006 I am in 10 Miles Final Posts 12,415 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Hi BMWTURBO When you handed the car back to BMW, it was in working order. Did you get a signature to accept the car back?. If they accepted the car back in full working order then they may not have a case. Also the driver to the auction may have thrashed the car on the way, you know wheels spins showing off etc. Maybe another angle to try. Uk. . . Some useful links. 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Please also be aware of giving your personal details to strangers HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's? YOU CAN NOW COMPLAIN TO THE OFT ABOUT THEIR CONDUCT UNDER THE CONSUMER PROTECTION FROM UNFAIR TRADING REGULATIONS 2008. Reply With Quote 29th November 2006 12:21 #10 BMW TURBO FAILURE View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Nov 2006 Posts 4 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Yes, when i handed the car to the collection agency it was signed for as in “good condition” not the words "in good working order" During the first hearing i tried to use the defence that the driver could have thrashed the car but this was inadmissible as i could not prove that this was the case. However nor could they prove that he didn't! I was advised by the judge that the only defence he would hear during the next hearing was if i could prove that the Breakdown was as a result of a known fault by BMW namely the turbo blowing on pre 2003 2ltd turbo diesels and that this can happen at any time. If i can prove that this is the case he will deem that the breakdown was not my responsibility therefore i don't owe the money. I have a big hurdle ahead of me and any further information you are able to provide will be gratefully received. Thank you so much for your help Reply With Quote 29th November 2006 12:44 #11 rosiecotton View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Nov 2006 Posts 880 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems What the judge has said sounds a bit odd to me. You should not be penalised for a fault that was not due to normal wear and tear of the car, even if it had occurred while you still owned the car. If it had happened to you, driving along one day, would you have just said, "oh well, these things happen!" and paid up for the repair? Or would you have said, "hang on, this shouldn't be happening in a car of this age and mileage!" and fought a case? I think I know what I would have been saying! What others have said about looking up info from BMW sounds like a good plan, you might well be able to find some good stuff to back up your case if the problem's pretty widespread. Any further info you can provide (see my previous post) would help to give a bit more confident advice on your statutory rights. Reply With Quote 29th November 2006 13:21 #12 BMW TURBO FAILURE View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Nov 2006 Posts 4 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Thanks Rosie cotton I will get all of the information i can back to you asap. thanks again Reply With Quote 3rd December 2006 02:17 #13 ivorbiggun View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since May 2006 Posts 115 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems BMW 320d - Review - BMW320D - Expensive Turbo Failure! BMW: 3-Series E46 (1998 to 2005) (Lot of text but scroll down to "What's bad?" BMW 320d - Review - 320d - Potentially expensive failure www.BMWLand.co.uk - Where Power Meets Control - UK BMW Car chat site Forum :: View topic - 320d Turbo Problems ?? Back Room: BMW320D loss of power Reply With Quote 19th January 2007 12:25 #14 Budfrog View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Jan 2007 Posts 8 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Just had mine go, not a full blown failure (thank God) but a pretty nasty dent in my wallet just the same. I've just sent the following email off to BMW UK (without much optimism): Hi, I am the owner of a BMW 3 Series Compact Reg No. DN52 UAR, the car has covered 73,875 miles. The car was purchased by myself from new and has been serviced as per the service schedule by Specialist Cars of Leagrave Road, Luton, LU3 1RJ. Last Saturday the car failed it's MOT test (on emissions) and a diagnostic test undertaken by Specialist Cars (cost £42.30p) indicated that the car required a new Turbo and Intercooler. They also provided me with an estimate to complete this work of £2,400. I was understandably surprised by the high cost of repair and also the fact that a quality vehicle such as this should suffer from such a failure at a relatively low mileage. You may have on record the fact that the same vehicle suffered a seized rear differential within it's warranty period. A little web browsing has revealed that Turbocharger failure is a 'known' problem on pre Mid 2003 2.0td engines and to put it mildly they have been going down like flys. As it is a problem acknowledged by BMW, my 1st question is why wasn't a product recall undertaken when a sudden loss of power is a safety issue. http://www.theherald.co.za/motor/2003/05/bmwturbo.htm As the problem is clearly a 'known' design fault my 2nd question is will BMW assist me financially with the rectification work as a goodwill gesture ? The car has now been fitted with a new Turbocharger/Intercooler by AMC of 668-678 Garratt Lane, Earlsfield, London SW17 0NP at a total cost of £1665.79p (£370.00 of which was labour). I look forward to your reply. Reply With Quote 19th January 2007 12:33 #15 ivorbiggun View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since May 2006 Posts 115 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems I don't hold out much hope Budfrog if AMC aren't a BMW dealership. If BMW UK pay a goodwill claim then the dealer submits a claim and gains authorisation. BMW UK then pay the dealer at the agreed warranty/trade rate for parts and labour. Reply With Quote 19th January 2007 12:47 #16 Budfrog View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Jan 2007 Posts 8 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems To be honest I don't hold up much hope either .... BMW will use any means to avoid payment whether it is morally right or not. The problem is even if the work had been undertaken at their franchise for £2400 there was no guarantee either and AMC have a good reputation so the £1650 estimate seemed a much better option as I didn't want to just chuck my money away. I realise compared to others who have suffered 'Total Failure' I may be one of the 'lucky ones'. AMC did say that it wasn't only BMWs that suffered turbo problems but Merc also. When choosing my next vehicle I will just have to weigh up the benefits (or otherwise) of choosing a TDI. Any recommendations as to which are the most reliable ???? Reply With Quote 19th January 2007 12:55 #17 ivorbiggun View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since May 2006 Posts 115 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Problem with turbos are that most drivers don't allow them to cool properly by allowing the engine to idle after fast driving or a motorway run. I guess that TDIs tend to be used by a lot of company car drivers who are in a rush and just switch off the engine as they are in a rush. Honest John in the motoring telegraph says that the main problem is the extended service intervals loved by fleet managers. He recommends halving the service interval and having a basic oil and filter change to extend the life of engines and turbos. I agree with you about getting AMC to do the work. Merc wanted £5k for a new gearbox for my dads car. We took it to a auto specialist who said that there was nothing wrong with the gearbox and that only the valve body needed changing at a cost of £1,300. 23/05/06 DPA Sent to Halifax I Love You All Reply With Quote 23rd January 2007 21:12 #18 Budfrog View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Jan 2007 Posts 8 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Originally Posted by ivorbiggun I don't hold out much hope Budfrog if AMC aren't a BMW dealership. If BMW UK pay a goodwill claim then the dealer submits a claim and gains authorisation. BMW UK then pay the dealer at the agreed warranty/trade rate for parts and labour. You were spot on (but what else did I expect) ..... Dear Mr ***** Thank you for email dated January 19, 2007 regarding your 3 series. We are sorry to learn of the problems that you have experienced with your vehicle. BMW appreciate that components can reach the end of their serviceable life earlier than we may hope. It is for this reason that we offer customers the opportunity to purchase an extended warranty after the 3 year manufacturers warranty has expired. In the absence of this warranty customers take on the responsibility for any costs that may occur for repair work in the future. We are aware of unofficial websites where customers log concerns regarding their vehicles. To gauge a more accurate account, BMW UK monitor failure reports via our dealerships. We can advise that the turbo and intercooler have not been highlighted for a recall. BMW UK will occasionally offer a goodwill contribution to our customers for work carried out at one of our Approved Dealers. BMW UK will not offer a contribution to work carried out at a non-approved dealership. We are sorry that you have had cause to contact us and apologise that we are unable to assist you further. Kind regards Diva Renton-Roderix Customer Service Executive BMW Group UK Reply With Quote 25th January 2007 06:49 #19 nano View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Nov 2006 Posts 5 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems It's interesting to hear all of the similar stories and that last letter is very interesting. I have a couple of points to make. Firstly, you expect any car to last its lifetime and only have to replace the regular components at service such as filters, oil, brake pads etc. Many of the failures that I have learned about are well within the expected lifetime of the car and are quite specific to the 320d manufactured up to 2002. I believe that this turbo has been superseded at least twice since that time and reliability, as far as I can make out, has been improved. This indicates to me that there was an issue with either the design or components of the original revision indicating to me that this is something that, with BMW's reputation, they should accept responsibility for and correct for those unlucky enough to have the original spec turbo. Secondly, you pay a significant amount extra for a BMW compared to other cars which is partly for the peace of mind that the car you are buying is well designed, is build using the best components, has the best after sales service and is going to last. I personally have a different opinion now to the opinion I had when my new BMW was delivered. The car has now been repaired and had a new engine and turbo and is due to be replaced. I had been considering a 5 series but I will not now be going down that road. Yes, they are nice cars but I could not put up with the expense and hassle that this has caused again. These are my personal opinions only. Reply With Quote 25th January 2007 09:13 #20 Budfrog View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Basic Account Holder Help the CAG!! Download our toolbar Cagger since Jan 2007 Posts 8 Re: BMW 320d 150Bhp Turbo Problems Back in stockBeat the Bailiff We are able to offer a limited number of these books at an amazing discount. £25 instead of £50 (plus p&p) Worried about Court?Learn how to sue or defend in the County Court The User-Friendly County Court Guide£21.49 inc p&P Originally Posted by Budfrog To gauge a more accurate account, BMW UK monitor failure reports via our dealerships This system is clearly flawed as many customers have to use independant garages for their repairs due to the high cost of those undertaken by BMW. I too was thinking of the 5 series (3.0td) as a replavcement for my current vehicle but will probably look elesewhere having been dissapointed by the quality of the BMW product and the attitude of their customer service staff. Reply With Quote + Reply to Thread Page 1 of 7 1 2 3 ... 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They've done so since before they started engineering cars for consumers....Not saying Chevy doesn't have that ethic, just they only do it for the Vette....every other performance model vehicle Chevy sells is only suspension/drivetrain swaps...I like the ss/tc's-the LNF 2.0 ecotec is ridiculously strong-the engine block itself is rated to 900hp, but has been built past that Element7744 1 day ago maanrasm 1 day ago omg i have the same car but not the same engine i wish to become like this maanrasm 1 day ago RockMangle 1 day ago @sirlonghair but then it wouldn't be a BMW, it's be a Chevrimmer, or a BMevy... a GMW... a Bavarolet RockMangle 1 day ago zeka087 2 days ago This car litteraly can open a time hole :D give me a support guys :D zeka087 2 days ago sirlonghair 2 days ago @Element7744 I bet this car would be faster with a stock LS3 with this iron block it just spins tires and the ass end trys to kick out because of the weight of the engine you could easly get 400Hp from a stock ls it's lighter and the weight would be further back not hanging over the front axl and the weight is lower and centered slant 6 weight is hanging off to one side and a V8 has a far better torque curve sirlonghair 2 days ago Element7744 2 days ago @sirlonghair actually you are quite wrong about the cost perspective...and you are over exaggerating the weight perspective as well....Please stop making biased and non-backed claims....Like I said, please go look up everything for yourself, and tell me I'm wrong after you find information backing your biased and uneducated claims. For now just enjoy the video for what it is and stop hating...Maybe learn to spell simple English as well....since it will be easier for others to take you seriously Element7744 2 days ago OzzY777777755555 3 days ago crazy man...bravo OzzY777777755555 3 days ago View all Comments » 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Reply Block UserUnblock User Loading... 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Please enable it and reload this page. || Click on image to enlarge BMW Turbo The E25 BMW TURBO prototype was built as a celebration for the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich. For this occasion, renowned designer Paul Bracq created an innovative design for a BMW automobile, the BMW Turbo. The car had a 1,990cc BMW 4 cylinder engine, with a Turbo fitted. The car weighed just 980kg and featured gullwing doors and an ergonomically considered interior. Safety was another consideration in it's design, with an integrated passenger rollcage, crash safe deformable structures front and rear of the car and a colapsable steering column, thanks to 3 universal joints. The BMW Turbo was built by Michelotti in Turin and only 2 cars were ever built. Click on image to enlarge Click on image to enlarge www.lotusespritturbo.com